All Aussie Accounting Adventures - Tech Edition
All Aussie Accounting Adventures - Tech Edition
The Anti-Tech Tech Episode: When Apps Attack (Your Wallet)
In this tech episode, Amy and Jack ask the big, messy question: Has tech become the frenemy of the modern firm?
We’ve all been there, download now, regret later. You start with one shiny app to fix your workflow… then another to “streamline” things… and suddenly you’re knee-deep in subscriptions, paying $49.99/month to maybe use 10% of what it can do. It's like buying a gym membership for one yoga class and a free water bottle.
Amy and Jack flip the tech-loving script and go full-on devil’s advocate, poking at the paradox: Are we solving problems or just subscribing to them?
Inside this episode:
- The red flags your tech stack is stacking against you
- How to Marie Kondo your apps without crying over cancelled trials
- A step-by-step framework for trimming the fat before adding more automation
- The rise of "apps to manage your apps" (Yes. That’s real. We’re not making it up. We wish we were.)
Plus: Jack confesses how many subscriptions he actually has (hint: it's embarrassingly high), and Amy stages a full blown intervention. So join us on our anti tech-tech adventure.
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Hey Jack, hey Amy, how you doing buddy?
Speaker 2:Good, good to be here. How are you yeah?
Speaker 1:yeah, I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. I'm really excited about this episode actually.
Speaker 2:I know because you love. You love being a devil's advocate.
Speaker 1:I love just playing the other side of the coin just for a moment and, to be fair, this was actually your idea for us for for an episode, um, so maybe you like it just as much.
Speaker 2:I was just like imagining. Like you know, I was putting my mind in the mind of our listeners and thinking, god, there must be a bunch of them out there thinking these guys talk so much crap. They think tech's gonna save my life for everything New apps they just cause me problems. My subscription fees are going through the roof. I could see that, Our frustrated listeners thinking these guys need to get real for a minute. Cost of living is going up. I need to cut something and I can't just keep adding on new tech and tools. So let's going up. I need to cut something and you know I can't just keep adding on new tech and tools. So let's do it. Let's be the anti-tech podcast for a change.
Speaker 4:An episode on anti-tech. What does that mean?
Speaker 2:What does anti-tech mean Cut it all, gut it Paper.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what does it mean? Get rid of it all, throw away your computers, be done with your mobile phones. I don't actually know that you can manually lodge anymore, though Can you still manually lodge tax work with the ATO or with any of the tax platforms around the world? Actually, can you still manually lodge.
Speaker 2:I don't want to know. To be honest, I don't want to know. I mean, maybe I don't want to know either, probably. Look, we're not going that far. We're not suggesting you scrap it all. You know, I think it is worth us, you know, having a chat about when. When is it too much? When does tech get too much? When do we need to cut back a little bit, rethink things? Yep, um, you know, how do you actually go about doing that? What you know, how do you determine which tools to keep, which tools to get rid of? Um, you know, if a new one's brought to the attention of the team and they like it, how do you assess if it belongs? You know, and how do you avoid this becoming a problem in future, if it's a problem for you now?
Speaker 2:I think this is a conversation that is just becoming more and more prevalent. You know, for some people, they're of the opinion that you look at your like Iler has a tyler caskey has a great analogy, which is look at your phone, how many apps do you have on there? Um, you know, most people have between 100, 100, 200, 300 apps without even thinking about it, and we all get on with our life like it's nothing. Yet you know, people always communicate. Oh, we've got 17 tools in our accounting practice, but 17 is not many, like you know, in the reality of running an entire business. That's fine. I, I can already see, like on my little browser list right now I've probably got 30, just little icons that live there permanently that I access on a regular basis. So literally, um, yeah, is that you know what number is too many? Um, how do you, how do you go about that? So, yeah, when is when is it too much? What are the signs that you've got too much tech?
Speaker 1:I don't know when you start feeling like there's too much tech. For example, I even have this right now. Right, I get contacted by a lot of people. I mean for multiple reasons, obviously, what you know, what Clarity Street does, but also this tech. You know this podcast as well.
Speaker 1:Like every time there's a new app that's you know, somebody's come up with an idea for a new app. In the marketplace, especially around the accounting ecosystem. I seem to be one of those people get that, you know, people get in touch with to go hey, so I've got this idea. What do you reckon? Blah, blah, blah, and I'm like amazing. But then there are some times where I'm like, honestly, surely there are another five other apps out there that already do this.
Speaker 1:Why do you think that yours is any more special? Like, there are definitely times, for example, at the moment there seems to be a run on work papers. There seems to be a whole heap of apps or a whole heap of people out there in the marketplace that just feel the need to create a whole heap more work paper apps and I'm like that's great. Obviously, the ones that are out there at the moment aren't cutting the mustard for whatever reason, and I think that it is a very subjective topic as well, especially if you're an accountant. But how many different platforms do you need for work papers? Surely one of them must be suitable for you as a practice. Sorry, small rant there.
Speaker 3:But I get my point To your point.
Speaker 1:I really get the overwhelm. Sometimes there are days where I'm just like, honestly, surely we have enough tech here. But then, overwhelmed, sometimes there are days where I'm just like, honestly, surely we have enough tech here. But then there's a bright, shiny light that comes about and I'm like, oh, there's a new app, oh, there's a new toy, I want to play with that one.
Speaker 2:Yay, I know right it's challenging and I think I mean, I think that you're in a role that probably means it's kind of uh, you kind of get away with it because it's semi-research uh every time you play with a new piece of tech, and there's other people, yeah, but my team, my, my team, though, is still like can you stop seriously?
Speaker 1:like just I'm like, yeah, but there's this new one and it's really cool and it's pretty. Can't we, can't we develop some information around it and some you?
Speaker 2:know content. It's not that that, yeah, because it's not that that new app isn't going to improve that process. It's that that process happens once a quarter and takes five minutes. Do we really need an app to reduce that from five minutes to one minute? Because now I have a new thing to think about. We have a new subscription to manage, like.
Speaker 2:I think that that little that's kind of the crux of it. It's it's not to say that these tools aren't improving on something to some degree, but there has to be almost like a minimum. It's like, if it's not to say that these tools aren't improving on something to some degree, but there has to be almost like a minimum. It's like if it's not going to save me X, it kind of doesn't matter. I mean, I think that there's definitely people who take the approach of anything, I'll automate, anything, I'll spend three hours. You know, liam, great friend of mine, he self-proclaimed spent you know, a whole weekend building a zap. You a zap. That was like 60 different steps and he's like, yeah, probably didn't need to do that because I've used it like once in three months or something like that, but it was fun for him to do.
Speaker 2:He enjoyed building it, but you know, it's a classic case of over automation, I guess.
Speaker 1:So yeah, all right, so all right. So back to this, now that we're tangented when is it too much, when does it get too much? Is it just purely that feeling of oh my god, stop, or is it like, uh, growing subscription bills? Is that, when you look at it, I reckon, whoa.
Speaker 2:It kind of feels like it's hard to put a definition on, but I can imagine saying every time we get a subscription payment, come through, we bring that to our Monday team meeting and we say who's using this?
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:And if no one puts their hand up, it's an instant line through it and we say we clearly don't use this enough. If someone maybe did use it three months ago but has forgotten now that that they used it, it can't be that big of a deal. Um, you know, and I I say this working for a tech company where every now and again that's going to hurt my feelings and I'm going to be sad about it yep, losing a customer, uh, but you know if we're only saving someone five minutes a quarter, then you know I can kind of understand why.
Speaker 2:You know, maybe maybe the pain that we solve isn't that relevant to them and it you know it's okay in their scenario, not for everybody else, who still finds it very valuable exactly, yeah, those people should not listen to this podcast. They should never listen to this podcast and they should just keep on using our product because it's so great. So yes, all right.
Speaker 1:So maybe these are more signs of app overload, rather than like when is it too much? Maybe it's just these are some signs that things might be heading that way. So there's the cost of the software. There's I love this one Countless apps that you don't even realize that you're using.
Speaker 2:Or that you're not using. Maybe I should say I don't know.
Speaker 1:Or if you're using them, though in the background, that's okay, you don't know what or that are being paid for, that you don't know that, like if some of your team are using them, yeah, or that you did sign up to them.
Speaker 2:About the Monday meeting comment. It's like, okay, you got a bill for something you don't know what it's for, that's a, that's our amber flag immediately. So let's go to the team and say who was it that signed up to this three years ago and needed it for one thing once? And we still got it? Um, yeah, you know. So I I because it's hard to say that you know a pnl line is going to tell you that you've got too much tech because it's such an important thing in business these days, like whether that's $10,000 a month, $100,000 a month, $500,000 a month, depending on how big your business is. Like maybe those numbers are all reasonable numbers for software. It just depends on your scenario. So I find it hard to say that a certain cost thing is going to be the trigger ends on your scenario.
Speaker 1:So I find it hard to say that a certain cost thing is going to be the trigger. I agree, and I think it's more that feeling of hey, that seems high, or that feels like it's getting higher than what it has in the past. And that's when you start doing a bit of investigating and going is that more, is that less? Why is that there? And it might've also been. Did we code that to the wrong thing? And that's why that looks like it's there, or why it looks so expensive. But yeah, I the the is the. Yeah, when is it too much tech? I think there's also the feeling of when you can't remember all of your passwords for everything.
Speaker 1:That's yes, yes uh it's okay, I, I use. I use a password protection platform, so you know I don't have that problem. Yes, but that is also one of them. Or when you're using the same piece of tech for the same thing, but you just like the look and feel of the other one better, or like half of your team is using one and the other half of your team is using the other.
Speaker 2:I think also, if you've ever had a tech champion type person in your firm, someone who loves tech you know they're responsible for trying new things out and then they leave You've no doubt got a whole handful of subscriptions attached to them somewhere. You know 100%.
Speaker 3:So if you lose someone who's?
Speaker 2:quite critical to your tech stack stuff and they go. I think it's safe to assume that they've been playing with things or using things and maybe they have been getting value, and that's not to say cut it straight away, but it's to review it. It's like, okay, what were they using this for? Maybe we need to catch up with the vendor and have a chat and be like can you tell me what they were using this for? They must have been loving it, or maybe they weren't, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I've recently gone through that. Over the last 12 months we had a team member depart and exit and there's been a few little apps and bits and pieces. We're like what was that even for? And I think your point exactly, which is, some of them are like oh yeah, okay, that makes sense because that's connected to that. And that's connected to that because we've got a pretty automated. We've tried to automate as much as we can in the back end, um, but then there are some things that I think need to be reviewed, because if you do delete them, like amy did one day, and then you delete all the knock-on effect flow on bits and pieces from your automation that you set up, that's really bad. Don't delete until you understand. I still haven't fixed that actually. I need to get back to that anyway, yeah. So I think yeah to your point review and really understand before you do delete it.
Speaker 2:Though yep, yep, and and then I so I think, in terms of how to address this. So, you know, you've got this feeling like, okay, cool, we've got too much. We've got too much tech, we need to do something about this. Um, you know, when we say that another one one is lots of tools that cross over in functionality, they offer similar features and functionality. So that might be like a look, we're using these five tools, we love them all, but the reality is, if we cut this one, we can actually replace all of its core functionality across the other four, or something like that. But yeah, I think that review needs to happen. But, yeah, I think that review needs to happen. You can also look at this from, I suppose, a moving forward perspective of okay, cool, yeah, once we're comfortable that our tech's okay, how do we avoid this becoming a problem? Because I guess for a lot of people, it may not be a problem right now, but it's going to be a problem as they go forward. So, before you implement a new app, is this even a process that needs to happen? I love that.
Speaker 2:Eliminate automate delegate no, yeah, eliminate automate delegate yeah, that's the right thing, where the first thing you want to do is try and eliminate the process. If you don't need it at all, then just don't do it. Don't keep doing some old thing that we've done for 10 years because it was always done Like do we need that? What was that doing? What was the point of that in the first place? We've all moved on. The three people have left since they originally created that process and we just don't need it anymore. So just cut it. Don't look for a tool to automate it. Cut it. Then we say, no, we do need to do this. Can we do it better? Maybe we can automate it. And if you can't automate it, then you delegate it to a person and only then should it be with someone to actually do manually. So that's one thing which can help to maybe minimize new tech. But as part of that in the automate phase should be do we need a new tool for this or can we find a solution within our existing tech stack?
Speaker 2:And I think looking inwards at your tech stack on a regular basis and looking for new functionality is so underutilized. Um, you know we every, every software company I've worked for people sign up in the first three months. They get to a certain point and that's basically where they stay for the rest of their life with you. Um, yes, that's on the vendor as well to try, and you know, do master classes and get exciting webinars going and tell you about new features.
Speaker 2:But you only really give that new tool your full energy for that first few weeks and months when you're implementing, and then it's kind of as far as you go. I'm not saying everyone, but most people don't get much further than that. So that means that there's so much on the table. Any app that you rolled out more than a year or two years ago has definitely released new features and functionality since then, some of which you may be paying for in another tool that you don't need to anymore, then some of which you may be paying for in another tool that you don't need to anymore, and I can almost guarantee that you're only using about 10 of the functionality of the app that you originally signed up to yeah yeah, max 10 give or take.
Speaker 1:One of my favorites is, um, the billing process, just generally speaking. Um, we'll have clients come to us and they'll have an issue with their, with their potential workflow and their billing process. And you start looking at what's going on in their tech stack and you're like, okay, using XPM, using Xero, you've got Ignition in play and you know you've got a problem with debtors as well. That's coming into play and they'll sort of have this conversation with you around. Oh, you know, my billing process is taking so long and I'm like but you've got ignition, you're surely using that. Oh, no, we're only using that for like a really small percentage of our clients, just for the ones that are on annual engagements. I'm like, oh, how many have you got? Oh, probably about 50 clients. How many clients have you got in total? About a thousand. I'm like, right, I'm like so you're just not using it. Let's have a chat about that. Basically and that's just one example, but there are so many of them out there in terms of the tech that everybody has that I can almost guarantee that, with a slight shift in your viewpoint of processes and how you've been using the tech and how you're engaging and or using that tech and what processes you're following.
Speaker 1:I can always guarantee you that you've already got the tech there. You don't necessarily need more tech. You just need to use the tech that you've got better. You might need to swap out, you know, one or two pieces, maybe add one piece in, like the entire tech stack, but I can almost guarantee you that the majority of firms out there already have a fairly robust tech stack. That's, you know, in place. It's just not being, it's just not being connected correctly, it's just not being used correctly. The information may not be flowing correctly, and or we're using it just for this small percentage of clients, and we're only using it for that small percentage because, you know, we only thought that that small percentage would be able to handle it, and or we tried to roll it out, but one of the partners didn't like the way that it looked and we had one client complain. So you've got 1,000 clients, one complain and you stop rolling out this one piece of tech because of that one client that complained. Gotcha, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that one client that complained gotcha okay, um, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's a classic. That is a classic on this is going to improve my life in 99 ways out of 100, but make my life worse in one way out of 100. So therefore I'm not moving forward, kind of thing. But there's we are playing the anti-tech podcast today we are. We are actually on their team today, so maybe I am on your team?
Speaker 1:I am and I understand it. Can I be honest with you? This is why I'm on your team. I know and understand why you feel that way is because it comes down to the the the simple fact of a you don't want to upset your clients, but also there is this fear that if one client has a problem, then all clients are going to have the problem. It's your fear of the unknown as opposed to the reality and what actually is the case. So you know, it's that perception around what you think is going to be the problem as opposed to the reality. Ultimately, my favourite industry, dear accountants, you are conditioned to find that 1% anomaly, that 1% of something that's wrong, which means that if you hear of something that's wrong when it comes to rolling out tech, then obviously everything's wrong, basically right, and that's not quite the case when it comes to tech and operations and things like that. Like it's got to be a bit more of an 80-20 rule. So I appreciate and understand why the mentality is around that way but, maybe it's time to shift that.
Speaker 2:But it does talk to the to maybe not use it To hear from our sponsors.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, probably I'll stop rambling. Good call, Good call, Jack.
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Speaker 2:Expert. No, you weren't rambling, amy, you were fine. You were very well spoken and covered the point up very nicely. Actually, look, I think we've had a good conversation about this so far and there's only a couple of other little things to chat through. So one is for anyone who actually wants to, you know, practically go away and do a review of their systems. I'm keen to get your thoughts on what that should look like, because you, you have done this stuff and do this stuff, yep, um, and then I've just got a few apps out there that maybe people can look at that. Actually, you know, it's becoming yeah a category of its own.
Speaker 2:Software subscription management is becoming its own category of app now.
Speaker 3:So there's actually multiple tools out there that you can sign up to.
Speaker 2:That will kind of help with this process, which might be interesting. But yeah, firstly, I know it's not a short thing, but in a few words, how would you go about? How would you suggest going about doing a review of tech systems?
Speaker 1:you only want a few words. I can't do this in a few words.
Speaker 1:All right, I actually talked to this point quite a lot. If anybody's ever heard me do a keynote or anything, I do talk to this point. It starts with you actually mapping out your client life cycle. So what is your, what are the, the business functions in your client life cycle? That's the first step. So, high level, we're talking about engagements, onboarding, workflow management, invoicing, obviously doing the tax piece, practice management pieces. You've got your ledgers and financials. You've got your corporate and corporate and legal those kinds of things running through this quickly. All right, so they're your business functions. Map it into a client life cycle. Map it into the flow of how the client's life cycle actually plays out and I'm talking for current clients. You could also do it for brand new if you really wanted to, but it's only the starting point that changes if it's brand new. Once they become a client, it should all be the same process, basically. So map that out.
Speaker 1:Then look at where are the pain points in that process. Where do I have challenges? Okay, so I might have a problem with the onboarding, I might have a problem with the workflow component, I might have a problem with my ledgers, who knows? Look at those. Just identify them to begin with. Assign all of those processes in your client lifecycle with an app that you currently already have in place. Again, then look at is that a problem or do we like it? No, it's fine, move to the next one. No, it's fine, move to the next one. Oh, got to the workflow one. That's a pain point. Don't like that one, right? Okay, why is it a problem? Is it a problem because it's the processes and procedure? Is it people and or processes, or is it genuinely the tech that's the problem? If it's genuinely the tech that's a problem, that's when you can start. You know, park that one, keep working through your client lifecycle and work out if there are any others that are like that. That's when you start going.
Speaker 1:All right, so I've got these. Potential one it could be workflow potential. Three issues within my systems, like maybe your signing solution isn't cutting the mustard Right? Where are the major players in our market that are actually integrated with our current tech? Because what you're trying to look for, if you have a connected tech stack as opposed to so you've got best of breed rather than an all-in-one. In this scenario, then what you're looking for is to find all the apps that actually fit quite well within that, and then you investigate each one. First rule of thumb don't get sold by the first guy that you speak to at the first app that you investigate. Do all of your research first and then understand how they connect and understand the true like, where it truly fits in your client life cycle. Mainly, though, understand if you actually need it more than anything Beyond that, once you've done your research, then you need to understand if you're going to adopt it, which one are you going to adopt.
Speaker 1:How long that process is to plan and to roll out this piece of tech. Basically, rule of thumb however long you think it's going to take, double that time and then double it again, because that's probably closer to how long you think it's actually going to take. Never underestimate especially if it's a client-facing piece of tech that you are rolling out how long it's going to take to educate those clients. From an adoption perspective, you will have to have conversations with your clients. Your admin team will probably have to have multiple conversations, so the more information you can provide to your clients I'm talking an email, a newsletter, possibly another email, phone conversations in your meetings, those kinds of things that's what you actually want to do from you know, rolling this out. It does take a long time from a client adoption perspective.
Speaker 1:Bring your team along for the journey as well. Make sure they are part of it. Make sure they understand the why, make sure they understand the pain points that everybody is facing and how it will actually improve their day-to-day, because, whilst it may not improve them for their particular workflow because their clicks now haven't you know are now, you know, more problematic for the greater good of the organisation. This is why we're obviously rolling this out.
Speaker 1:Basically, I still whinge about Microsoft, but I do it because it's better for the greater good of the organization. That's why I use it. Same principle basically yeah, um, so yeah, that's probably how you actually do a systems review and I've talked, I've really kind of rushed through this, but there's. So I'm hoping that you know people have taken away some points from you know the, the component, the key components here. But it's basically a yeah, review your client life cycle, map the, the apps to it and then work out what your pain points are and then start doing the investigation. Um, if anybody does want help further with that one, you know where to find me.
Speaker 2:That's what I do on the daily basically and, and I think then you know, going on from that, as you roll out tools, solve problems and implement solutions, I think, just like a little win that, or like a little hack that can make it easy to track this stuff, just have each piece of tech listed out somewhere.
Speaker 2:It can be in a spreadsheet, whatever it is someone in the team can be responsible for managing it monthly. You know, 15 minute reminder in the calendar monday morning, first monday of the month. Have we got any new apps? Throw it into teams, throw it into slack. Has anyone signed up for anything new this month? Let me know, add it to the list.
Speaker 2:Um, each app has someone who's the designated advocate for the, for that tool? Um, you know, maybe it's an obvious no-brainer, like your whole workflow system or something like that, which is like obviously know, we're all aware of it, but little tools. Whatever it may be, someone has to be the advocate or the champion and at the end of the day, when we sit down on a monthly basis and the partner walks in and says, cool, we're going to run through our list of tech today and you know, billy, this was your app. Do we still need it? You're the advocate, you're on the line. If you have no reason for it, it's no longer. You know, you've got to fight for it. Basically, like someone has to be able to come to that conversation and say I have a good reason why we still need that and so long as there's a half decent reason, we keep it and we move on. Maybe it's not a monthly thing, maybe it's quarterly, maybe it's six monthly, whatever it is, but just like so low tech way of just keeping an eye on things and if you're still preferring an automated method for that, there are now tools out there that kind of do some of this stuff for you.
Speaker 2:So, um, there's an app called huddled and that app, basically, you know, connects to your software subscriptions. It'll show you all the apps you subscribe to. It'll show you when your renewals are to. It'll show you when your renewals are coming up. It'll show you if your costs are going up. I think it flags if you're underutilizing certain tools. There's another one called Appventory, I think they also look to basically track your subscriptions, flag underusage, flag, overcharging, spot, optimization opportunities.
Speaker 2:So maybe you've got these two tools and 80% of users've got these two tools and 80 of users who have these two tools find that this one can do them both or something like that.
Speaker 2:I think that's kind of the direction these apps are going. So huddled and appventory are both out there in the market and then huddled the team from huddled have also got a product called rechargely which I suppose in a related way will track your software subscriptions and help to uncharge those to clients. So you know if you actually for you, if the subscriptions aren't your problem, if they're, you know, actually costs that you're going to uncharge your client for some of those apps, then potentially a tool like that can be useful. There are others out there that are outside of our accounting ecosystem and just you know, I'm sure if you google subscription management software you'll find a bunch of them. Um, you know, not to give you another app to track apps, but that's the reality of the life we live in now, which is there's so much tech that there's actually a justification now for having a tool that's going to tell you how much tech you've got.
Speaker 1:Just sidebar Recharge. They've got a new function recently that they've just released, which also pushes back the charges that you're on charging to your clients and or not, if you're paying for the fees, back to XPM so that you can actually track the true costs of your jobs, which is kind of cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very nice.
Speaker 1:Because that process was a pain in the backside.
Speaker 2:And that's the benefit of picking a tool that's actually accounting specific, versus a generic one Correct, they're going to go out and put the effort in to have the accounting specific integration. So, yeah, it kind of feels, weird to finish on a note of go and get an app after we're having the anti-tech podcast. So yeah feel free to stick with that Excel version I gave you, but yeah genuinely this is the world we live in.
Speaker 2:Maybe one more app will help to you know. Take away five more, I don't know oh, I like that theory, though.
Speaker 1:Uh, you could sorry you could also finish it on the theory of um how women do shopping for their wardrobes, which is I'm not allowed to buy another item unless I um discard or give or recycle another item of clothing. Maybe we could apply the same rule with our tech. Maybe I don't know how I feel about that. Well, I don't apply that to myself with my wardrobe the grenfell netflix documentary.
Speaker 2:It's about the building in uh, I think, in london um that burnt down uh because the materials
Speaker 1:on the building were very yesammable.
Speaker 2:The cladding yes, yes, and part of the Netflix docker goes into that. The government at the time had one regulation in two regulation out policy. So you know, I don't know how it's probably semi-dramatised, but possibly actually part of the reason was, you know, the regulations weren't quite up to scratch because they had this like it made it really hard to actually get a regulation through. So maybe this is a bad idea. So are you telling me?
Speaker 1:that I now have to apply the one app in one app out type scenario. Does that mean I have to apply that to my wardrobe as well, Because I'm not comfortable with that, Jack.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying that maybe that's dangerous. Maybe you've got to keep all of the regulations and add new ones. I don't know. Deregulation is cool, but also in this case according to this one documentary I watched, which is basically now how I'm going to live my entire life, based on one documentary. That's how it works.
Speaker 1:I'm now becoming a hoarder of tech. I'm a hoarder of tech Right got it. What a wonderful place to finish, jack. Thank you for a great episode once again and thank you to our listeners.
Speaker 2:Yes, thank you all for dealing with us. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Chat soon, bye, see you, bye.
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