All Aussie Accounting Adventures - Tech Edition
All Aussie Accounting Adventures - Tech Edition
Tech Stacks for Bookkeepers vs Accountants
In this episode, Amy and Ajack are diving into the wonderful world of bookkeepers and their tech stacks. Spoiler alert: their needs are as unique as the passwords you’re probably still storing in Notepad (tsk tsk). While accountants are busy wrangling compliance and security, bookkeepers are out here vibing with flexible tools like Trello, Asana, and ClickUp – free from the clutches of tax return chaos. Who’s living the dream now?
But it’s not just about picking shiny apps. We’re spilling the beans on why small biz and bookkeeping teams thrive on simpler setups, while bigger firms need integration galore. From AI apps like Xbert that crush error-checking, to the transformative power of CRM-friendly proposal software, we’ve got the lowdown. Tune in to learn how these tools don’t just save time but actually make you look like the superhero of your client’s financials. Let’s face it, even Batman would envy your tech stack after this!
So grab your favourite mug, put on your innovation goggles, and join us as we untangle the tech jungle. Whether you’re a seasoned pro or just stepping into the cloud, Amy and Jack have the insights to help you stay efficient, compliant, and ahead of the game. Listen now and don’t miss the adventure!.
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Hey Jack.
Speaker 2:Hey Amy, how are you doing?
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. How are you?
Speaker 2:Pretty good. Sounds like there's more to that pretty good.
Speaker 1:I'm feeling a bit excited. I feel like I just want to help. I just want to help today. I've been invited to talk at a few events recently the Australian Bookkeeping Network and the First Class Accounts and I've got the QuickFest online event happening in a couple of weeks as well, which are quite heavy bookkeeper focused.
Speaker 2:You flexing on me with all your events. You go into, say that again you flexing, you flexing. How? Many events you get invited to.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not that special, jack. I promise you, I promise you.
Speaker 2:No, you are, you are Although you're cute.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're funny. But with that in mind, what's really been apparent is just how different. Well, there are definitely differences between a tech stack for bookkeepers versus accountants, and I thought that might be a good topic for us to unpack like the ultimate tech showdown bookkeepers versus accountants Bum, bum, bum.
Speaker 2:All right. Well, it's timely. I mean, everyone's every man and their dog's getting in the ring lately and having a bit of a fight, so let's do it. Where do we start? Where do we start? I mean, so what's the yeah? Where do we start? Do we need to define the difference between these two or are we assuming everyone knows the difference?
Speaker 1:Look, I would assume let's I mean the definition of a bookkeeper versus an accountant these days. I am assuming that from a bookkeeping perspective that they are likely BAS agents, so they, you know they can lodge activity statements If you are in the Australia market, just for context there. Versus accountant that you are a registered tax accountant, you know, tax agent effectively. Okay.
Speaker 1:I know, in different countries that may have a slightly different meaning, but for the purpose of today, I think the main difference for especially the AU market is, whilst bookkeepers have access to tax file numbers, they actually don't need to have anything to do with tax file numbers because they're not actually lodging tax returns. They are purely lodging activity statements, which make up a portion of the compliance requirements for Australian businesses. And, as the non-accountant, could the accountant on this podcast please confirm that I am correct?
Speaker 2:Jack, that would be you. I don't know if I still count Sure, why not? I mean we'll get corrected 100%, which is fine. So please feel free to email through to whatever our email address is and let us know.
Speaker 1:I have no idea what it is.
Speaker 2:But so I mean. So there's obviously a little bit of, there's a lot of crossover here, but there's differences in the scope of work that bookkeepers and accountants are going to do and, as a result, the work that they're going to be engaged for is going to differ, and so how they manage that work might want to be different, and therefore the tech that they use may be different as well. So where do we begin, from a tech stack perspective, breaking down the differences between these two?
Speaker 1:Well, I think the main difference to break down here is that because bookkeepers don't have anything to do with tax, they therefore don't need a tax platform. Therefore, they also don't need to have access to TFNs because they're not dealing with it, so they're. They aren't as restricted in their choice and options for tech, unlike accountants, who are more restricted because they have um security higher, probably, security considerations around sensitive information they need to ensure is taken care of both internally and externally on behalf of their clients. So every business, at the end of the day, has a responsibility to take care of sensitive information and there's different levels of that. But I would suggest that bookkeepers aren't quite as restricted. Therefore, their tech stack can be a lot more open. They're also not hindered by a tax product, and a tax product is typically associated with a practice management platform.
Speaker 2:Gotcha, they usually go hand in hand.
Speaker 2:So the accounting tech stack is almost necessarily more tailored and more integrated, because it has to be. Um, we need our workflow slash job management to integrate with our tax and compliance so that we can track everything that we've done and it's all getting lodged in the right way, whereas if we're managing workflow from a bookkeeping side, we can potentially use whatever tool we prefer to manage the day-to-day making sure that things are getting done, because it's not necessarily attached to another accounting slash bookkeeping compliance solution. Yeah, okay, that's exactly it.
Speaker 1:That's exactly it. So you can really have standalone products if you would like, because there is no restrictions around it. Like you could. You know there's lot of uh, bookkeeping businesses out there that use things like asana and click up, yeah, which you know are great from a a workflow perspective. I mean, I have my personal opinions around the likes of asana, um, but you know, like they are typically really jackie's looking at me going, do do tell Amy what are your personal opinions about.
Speaker 1:Asana. Oh, I can't stand the product. Oh, it does my head. In Tried to make it work. We tried to break it for our own internal business. We use it for a period of time. It was good whilst we had it, but it caused a lot of grief for us as well to a certain degree. So I think once you get to a certain size you do outgrow Asana. That's my personal opinion.
Speaker 1:But there are a lot of businesses out there, a lot of bookkeeping businesses, that can use things like Asana, clickup, trello, all of these kind of cool, you know, like task oriented workflow tools call them, and it doesn't technically impact them too much until they get to a point where they do start growing Like it's good for maybe 10 to 20 clients to kind of keep everything in the right place.
Speaker 1:But once you get bigger than that and or your brain can't handle the capacity that it has to overthink on because you know, maybe it doesn't handle everything. That's when we start getting, you know we get inquiries as well. I mean, like you know, from a Clarity Street perspective, we don't typically spend a lot of time with, you know, bookkeepers like that's not really our market. If that makes sense, we do spend a lot and more of our focus is on accounting practices. But equally, saying that, because there is such a close crossover, we also get a lot of bookkeepers that contact us for, you know, support and conversations and things like that, and we are always happy to have a conversation. So they're the sort of things that we've noticed, which is, yeah, workflow apps you can choose whatever you like realistically, but it comes with its pitfalls.
Speaker 2:I think on that, just to very briefly break down those apps, I think whenever we look at something that's generally relevant's not, it's not industry or vertical specific, so it's not specific to accounts or bookkeepers like an asana click up, etc. It means that those apps are serving, basically, you know, the entire world of small business owners and and, as a result, they have huge amounts of funding, massive teams they're developing, you know world leading product and features and all this kind of stuff they have brilliant on, like onboarding and resources. You know self-onboarding and resources all the time and very low cost because they're dealing with millions of users rather than thousands of users. But when we get into accounting, bookkeeping, specific software, those, those software businesses, are dealing with a much smaller portion of a market. We might not be talking about millions of users, we might be talking about thousands of users and, as a result, costs are going to be higher to service a very specific vertical and industry. They're going to probably be more hands-on with the way that they help you to implement because there's specific functionality, very specific stuff that you're going to have to work around and integrate and all these bits and pieces.
Speaker 2:So I think, in terms of like look, if you go the generic workflow tool, you'll get a great app that can basically do a bit of everything, but you'll be left to your own devices to implement or find a third party to help, and it it's not going to be, you know, super tightly integrated with anything else versus your accounting bookkeeping. Specific tools are going to be, I would say, always more expensive. So don't compare. I don't think it's fair to compare a vertical or an industry specific app with a generic one and say, oh well, microsoft is only $15 a month per user, whereas this app's $80 per month per user. Why is that? It's like well, because Microsoft service every single business in the world, they can make that cost go a lot further. So yeah, I just wanted to get that across because I know bang for buck wise, it's important to kind of consider.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I agree with that and I think that's a really good breakdown of how to assess that actually, because it's something that, in terms of how to assess that actually, because it's something that you know in terms of, like, what to focus on typically.
Speaker 1:I mean, you just said you know the apps that are serviced by millions of users as opposed to thousands of users, for example, the industry specific versus the generic ones. If you use the generic ones, you're also, whilst it might be costing you less in terms of the dollar figure that you're spending on the application, it's going to be costing you less in terms of the dollar figure that you're spending on the application. It's going to be costing you more in your time for the manual processes in between, not having integrated tech. So I guess the challenge for this industry generally, whether you're a bookkeeper or an accountant, is to understand not just the actual cost that you see on the P&L, but actually understand the value of your time, and that's probably something from the bookkeeping side of life that I would suggest that bookies struggle with a little bit more than what accountants do is actually understanding the value of their time, which is, it is to say, that it is very valuable and that they should value it a hell of a lot more than what they presently kind of do.
Speaker 2:Yeah absolutely. Absolutely. So I mean, where do we go from here? So if we, you know, are there apps out there that are more bookkeeper specific, or are we saying that for bookkeepers they've kind of they just have use whatever you want? Where do you go from there?
Speaker 1:There are definitely some apps that are actually, uh, really quite good for the bookkeeping industry. Um, I mean, before you get to that point, I would always suggest looking at you know what your current processes are. I would also suggest looking at apps that actually do connect and integrate. Um, looking at you know you want. You want something that's going to, you know, help you manage your workflow and it's going to have time-saving options as a generalisation. But also look at how, like you know, actually break down your client lifecycle. You know I bang on about this quite a lot, but look at what app you actually can use. You know where is the pain point in your processes. Is there an app to actually solve that problem? Yeah, that's sort of the starting point from it, but you know, to answer your question, the industry, probably specific ones that I would be recommending. The two major ones right now would be Dext, precision and Expert. They would be my two picks for a bookkeeping business.
Speaker 2:Would they use them both? Would they use them both or separately? You?
Speaker 1:can, but you probably you wouldn't need to. In theory, they both do something that's slightly different at the moment. So, from the analytics side and the AI side of Expert, and therefore Dex Precision, there is a lot of crossover in terms of the AI, like the functionality there. Expert goes that next level at the moment and has an all-encompassing sort of workflow piece to it as well. I know Dext is doing a lot of work in terms of bringing a couple of their platforms together under one banner. So whilst I've said Dext Precision, I hope that I've used the correct terminology there, because they are doing a lot of work to, as I said, change their UI and bring a few products together under the one banner.
Speaker 2:For people who don't know what these tools are doing. How would you explain it briefly?
Speaker 1:Oh God, the non-bookkeeper here. All right, let's do this. So what they basically do? These apps connect in with your client's Xero or QuickBooks or MyOB file. They then this tool looks at the client's file you know bookkeeping file that they've got and starts looking for anomalies within the file. It'll look for things that are unreconciled. It'll look for things that you know payroll might be out of whack. There might be a GST component that's not being, you know, reconciled correctly. There might be a supplier that the client's engaged with and they the supplier may not be registered correctly. I mean, you know, might be charging them GST and they're not actually registered for GST, like you know. Those are the things it will actually bring up, so I don't know the numbers specifically.
Speaker 1:I think Expert has about 80-ish, and I think Dext also has similar numbers around. They look at their 80-ish things that they look at in every file, and it provides alerts for you basically to go hey, there's a problem, go fix it. The beauty of both of these platforms, though, is that, once you're in the platform, you don't actually then have to. You can then, a lot of the time, you can auto fix the problem from within, say, expert, you can auto fix the problem you don't actually then, and or it takes you directly to the client file, directly to that particular spot, to fix the thing that needs to be fixed. Basically, it saves a hell of a lot of time. You know there's lots of feedback from lots of clients that are basically saying you know, dext or Expert has saved me hours upon hours something that would have taken me hours to actually find. I may not have even still found the thing that this actually found.
Speaker 2:So yeah, does that help? Yeah, it does absolutely, and I think, when you think about what the other version of this is, the manual version of this is the manual checklist of hey team. These are the 80 things that we check each month in each client's file.
Speaker 1:Yes, we want to check.
Speaker 2:Have all the transactions been reconciled? Has something been? You know we double check that the payroll reconciles to this, that this reconciles to. Has something been? You know we double check that the payroll reconciles to this, that this reconciles to that, that you know that the GST has been entered correctly, that X, y and Z have happened. These are 80 things, which wouldn't take long to produce a list of 80 things that you have to check every month.
Speaker 2:You might think that 80 is a lot, but I think, across all the 800 things that you're mentally checking every month, if you've got 100 clients, that's, you know we're talking 8 000 things that you're checking every month that a tool like expert, like dex precision, allows you to manage by exception. So it's to say, out of those 8 000 checks, here's the hundred that are a problem right now, because a lot of the time we're just checking to make sure it's been done right, and it has been, but we can't not check because there are every now and again things that have been missed, done wrong, whatever. So the check is necessary. But why check 8,000 when there's only, you know, 100 that are an issue? That's where this tech comes in. It just allows you to manage by exception, and I know that there's a few firms out there, businesses out there, who are using expert for their workflow, which is like log in on a log in in the morning. Okay, cool, here's my. Here's my 510 alerts or issues that I got to resolve.
Speaker 1:I just jump in, resolve them, deal with them in the moment, move on with my day the other thing that I love, uh about you know, so you could also add carbon into the mix for this which is also good at managing the workflow component for a bookkeeping business. But the thing that I also love about expert is the workflow component. So for those that know me, I know zero practice manager kind of like the back of my hand. My personal opinion is, for a true soul, dedicated bookkeeping business, zero practice manager is not a great fit to manage your workflow and it comes down to the way that the user interface works, which is it's quite cumbersome and click heavy. To open a job. You know, put your time in close a job, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:The task manager within XPM isn't fabulous. Again, it becomes real click heavy. So because of the huge volume of repetitious tasks that get done for your bookkeeping clients on a daily, weekly, fortnightly basis much more touchpoint heavy than what an accountant traditionally is, a tool like XPM is not great from that perspective, whereas a tool like Expert and, as I said, even Carbon as well to a degree is awesome because it automates the task creation and makes it really easy to not only manage all of the things that you need to do to manage workflow. You can assign them to relevant team members. If a team member goes on leave, you can reassign all of those clients to someone else.
Speaker 1:It's pretty damn cool in terms of the way that it actually manages things and does stuff with you, so it doesn't do complete practice management as in. You still need to connect it up with an alternative tool like weirdly expert. We actually recommend expert and XPM in conjunction, expert and XPM in conjunction, xpm purely being used, though, for time cost billing. That's pretty much it, whereas Expert is really managing the AI data-driven components and obviously the workflow component as well. As you say, dex Precision also does the AI component. You could use Carbon instead of XPM from a time cost billing perspective.
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Speaker 1:So I guess, from here, though, I mean getting the best bang for buck. Guess, from here, though, I mean getting the best bang for buck because you know, at the end of the day, bookkeepers are stereotypically forgive me any bookkeepers listening there your margins aren't as high as what accounting practices are, you know, traditionally speaking. So, I guess, getting the best bang for buck, obviously. Yeah, sure, look at at the free apps. I'm not going to say don't, you should look at the free apps, but you'll get to a point where the free apps, they don't cut it anymore.
Speaker 1:And there are pitfalls with free apps, as we all know there's, you know, there's a lack of integration, there's a lack of um. You know you're just going to have exactly what jack's already said earlier on, which is we're going to struggle with manual processes in between apps that don't necessarily are fit for purpose. Basically, yep, if you're a silver partner with Xero, we come across a lot of bookkeeping businesses that are still lodging their activity statements directly through the portal, through the ATO portal. If you're in Australia, if you're a silver partner or above, stop doing that. It's just adding another manual process.
Speaker 1:Just saying Use something like Zero Tax or GovReports, or, if you're not a zero business, use something like Logit. Some of them actually have a bit of a small workflow component in there, also a signing solution in there as well, which makes it a little bit more integrated. They're some of the cool little apps that you can, you know, really get bang for buck. I think you know back to the point that we were talking about before around expert index precision, and actually GovReports is another one. Obviously there's a cost associated with them and sometimes it is an investment in the business, but it's a good investment, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, I mean I, but it's a good investment. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean I'm. I'm curious. Like we've spoken only about a couple of apps so far, really like we've spoken a little bit about workflow tools, where there's obviously some variety in what's getting used in an accounting firm and a bookkeeping business or the. The bookkeeping businesses have a little bit more flexibility. I suppose they could. They could utilize a workflow tool that an accounting firm is going to want to use, but they can go broader than that as well. There's some, some apps out there that are a bit more specifically around the bookkeeping processes, like expert, like dex precision well, like dex as a whole suite probably is around you never capture data capture and reconciling transactions Is that it? Is that the ultimate showdown? Is that the difference between these? Are they actually quite similar in the tech that they're going to be using? Yeah, they actually are.
Speaker 1:I think the other thing is that there are a lot of bookkeepers out there that are probably more Google rather than Microsoft, compared to accounting practices, who are predominantly more Microsoft, and I think that also can sometimes add some challenges to a degree as well when it comes to document management solutions. So, if you're looking at a document management solution, that's a consideration too. Are you Google or are you Microsoft? And and therefore, do you have you know, is it integrated? I think one of the things that I would recommend when it comes to document management solutions is it's not so much what? Obviously, check the T's and C's, check the security levels, check whether documents are housed, for obvious reasons, to make sure that you're compliant, but apart from that, it's more. This actually is more of a process-related thing, which is make sure that your structure is actually set up and organised, make sure that you can share documents with your clients.
Speaker 1:If you can have it integrated with a platform, that would be really helpful. So, like a good option is, for example, carbon with suite files for a bookkeeping business, and you might use zero tax or you might use gov reports, logic, whichever one, if that was a you know, a mix that you felt like was a good fit for you. Um, onboarding that's another thing that I've also found for for bookkeepers, but again, I would suggest that it's not dissimilar to what accountants are actually doing at the moment, which is for onboarding, something like Content Snare, something like Seamless depending. You may not need that level, but proposal software. I guess you can go broader though right.
Speaker 2:So thinking about Ignition, which is a fantastic proposal software for an accounting firm because it integrates with XPM and pushes your jobs in and all this kind of stuff that if you're actually playing outside of that and using a more generic workflow tool, that is there any reason you need to be using Ignition versus using another proposal system if you found one online that you're happy with that can handle the payments as well?
Speaker 1:No, you are completely correct there, jack. The only thing that you always need to remember, and where you say where the efficiencies come down to, in my opinion, is having that interconnected client database, that CRM component. So if your client list is in your engagement software and it's also in your workflow software, it's also in your you know your lodgement software as well, and they all talk to each other. That's going to make the upkeep of that database, you know, much easier.
Speaker 1:Flip side to that argument, though, is for a bookkeeping business, typically speaking, the volume of clients is a hell of a lot less. So most bookkeeping businesses, you know you're looking at somewhere between 50 to 100 clients depending and that does depend there are smaller bookkeepers that have less clients, and there are others that obviously have teams, and they have a lot more clients as well, but on average so, the manual upkeep of client database or client information, therefore, is actually probably easier. So I would always go for the efficient one that is connected, but this is the the point around. You don't technically have to have things connected. It just makes it easier in the long run yeah, I think that's that's really a key point.
Speaker 2:I mean, I guess it doesn't it applies to both bookkeepers and accountants who have few clients, is you know, when you're not dealing with huge volumes, then you can often get away with things a little bit easier. Um, and it probably comes back to what is your intention for the business. Is the intention to scale and grow? So it's good to have strong foundations from the beginning, or is it like, no, it's always just going to be me and my 5, 10, 15 clients? I have no intentions of it going bigger than that. Well then, I agree, as a tech forward as I am, and as much as I love a good app stack, it may be not that necessary to have everything speak to each other and integrate perfectly, but those one minute savings here and there, they start to add up as the client base grows, as the level of involvement with each of those clients grows as well.
Speaker 1:So, yeah for sure, I think, important, probably important differentiator yeah yeah, and I think you you raise a really good point. It's something that we speak to them about as well when we do chat to bookkeepers is what do you actually want to do with your current business? Do you want to grow, or are you happy and content with where you're at, because there may not be a huge need to change dramatically? Equally, saying that there sometimes actually really isn't a need to change even just what you've currently got because it just isn't working for you, I mean some of the challenges that we're sort of seeing with bookkeepers at the moment more than anything I've already mentioned it but margins aren't as high, which means that they typically don't have as much money to spend on tech adoption and implementation, which means that it's usually just them. They don't have as much time to actually implement. There's challenges around knowing what actually talks, what connects, what's going to work for you, for your clients, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:This is probably a reminder to both bookkeeping businesses and accountants. More than anything, it's just adopting those business processes. You know it can actually be a little bit harder, like monitoring internal time, not just you know the time that you spend on client work, so you can actually really understand. You know, profitability, especially if you've got a couple of team members it doesn't matter if they only work part-time, but really understanding what they're actually doing for you. Monitoring your WIP, that's another one.
Speaker 1:Doing price reviews for clients, because I know there are a lot of bookkeeping businesses that still charge at an hourly rate, which is fine, but you could also consider going fixed pricing but therefore just doing price reviews for clients, maybe quarterly, on a more regular basis, and therefore changing things that way, which can also make them, yeah, a little bit more efficient there. Yeah, it's a hard one. It's a hard one for bookkeepers because they are. This is why I'm like I just want to give them so much love and help because, like you know, they typically don't have nearly as much support and structure around their businesses as what accounting businesses do, yeah. So yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean, maybe as a way to yeah, is that a nice place to leave it? And I know, like you know, we haven't gone into depth on every single app that's going to be in each app stack and where they're going to cross over and what's going to be bookkeeper specific and what's accounting firm specific. But I think, in general, a lot of the conversation that we've had over the course of our episodes is probably leaning into the accounting firm workflow system solutions. So the stuff that you know I kind of leave this chat with a bit of a takeaway is that if you're a bookkeeper listening into anything that we're talking about know that your, your available tech stack is is a bit broader and can include apps that might not be industry specific but take into account the, the benefits or risks of something that is integrated or a little bit more industry specific or that isn't.
Speaker 2:Um, and, and I guess also the one of the other key differences you brought up was around the compliance focus. So if you don't need to be lodging tax returns, then you can kind of do away without that key part of the tech stack and that then frees you up for other things. But yeah, I don't know, was there any other kind of key takeaway from your side that like, yeah, any key difference between these two personalities?
Speaker 1:The key difference for me is even the tech that is available for both accountants and bookkeepers. You would probably, if you're a bookkeeping business, use it a little bit differently to how an accounting practice might use it. I think that's probably the key takeaway for me to how an accounting practice might use it. I think that's probably the key takeaway for me, and the basic example that I'm going to give you is zero practice manager, expert, throw, index, precision and or carbon.
Speaker 1:Using those apps if you're a bookkeeping business is different to how you would use them if you are an accounting practice, just generally speaking, just around the way that you would manage workflow and internal processes. But I think, from a bookkeeping business side of things, my key takeaway for them is to actually map out your business functions and then look at. You know what isn't working, look at what is working and then look at apps. If you are, you know if you need something. If you need an app to solve a problem, try and get the app to actually connect in with the other apps that you're actually looking at and or speak to someone who can give you some advice and assistance there.
Speaker 2:So yeah, cool, nice place to leave it. Good chatting. As always, amy. As always.
Speaker 1:Cheers All, right, bye.
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